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ReaperX
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This was going to be a response in the "ps3 might not sell as well as Gamecube" discussion, but it was locked. So I'm making a new discussion on the points I was to make in that post. Here goes (and it's long, so I will have to break it up into a few posts because of the post word limit. Sorry callan5, I know how much you seem to hate double posting. ) Anyway, here goes:

I look at this next-gen war between 360 and ps3 (I don't include the Wii because it's not a serious competitor, it's simply the secondary console everyone will own alongside their main console, which is the ps3/360/both) as a sort of race. Like a marathon or something. And to the naked eye, the 360 would be perceived the favorite to win right now, because of it's current lead. However, in reality (where I live), this isn't the case. Here's why I think that:

(cont. in next post)
27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
ReaperX
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Let's go back to my marathon analogy: Microsoft, in my opinion, is a talented sprinter who just wants to get to the finish line as quickly as possible, and doesn't understand that a marathon (console war) is a long event that requires pacing yourself and preparing for the long haul. They've only ever been in one console war before, and they were soundly beaten by Sony's ps2 (because the ps2 had better games, and had a better grip on the market). As such, they've looked at the ps2's success in a nutshell, and tried to emulate it by 1) getting their system out there first, like the ps2, and 2) having the best games on the system. However, they've made some critical errors in attempting this daring feat.

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27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
ReaperX
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Firstly, they made a big blunder by releasing faulty hardware at launch (and beyond), with a failure rate of something like 60% (might've been even higher than that). Simply put, early 360 consoles were mostly duds. With that said though, they have fixed this problem now. But still, it doesn't look good on their record. Secondly, unlike the ps2, they haven't gone with a next-gen disc format as standard for their games, choosing to stick with DVD 9's. Sure, you can buy an HD-DVD addon for HD-DVD movies, but devs cannot make their games on HD-DVD discs, because assuming every 360 owner would have said HD-DVD addon would be too risky. While this might not be an issue NOW, in the future, devs are going to want to have the security of knowing that they can go all out to make the best quality games in the FUTURE, before signing binding contracts to make games exclusively for the console. Thirdly, a 360 console is not guaranteed to have a HDD in it, putting further restraints on the devs as to what they can do. Finally, they've released ALL of their big guns (Halo 3, Gears of War, Forza 2, etc), and already pushed the limits of their hardware with said games, within the first TWO YEARS of their console's existence. Which would be fine... if they had other big titles in the works. But they don't really have anything up their sleeves that is mindblowing (apart from a Gears of War sequel perhaps), which the ps2 always did.

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27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
ReaperX
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Sony on the other hand (while they HAVE made some PR mistakes, no one can say that they haven't) are still the smarter and more experienced of the two companies. In terms of console wars, this is their third go now, and they've yet to lose a console war yet. They know that going all out very early would shorten their console's lifespan significantly, so they've paced themselves, and made themselves future-proof (just like they did with the ps2, and even the ps1). To directly compare the points I made about the 360: 1) Sony's failure rates are miniscule compared to the 360. 2) They have a blu-ray player as STANDARD in the ps3 (not an addon), and have gone with blu-ray disc as their choice for games, thus giving devs alot more freedom to do insane things with their games (just as they did with DVD last-gen, and CD with the ps1 over the 64's cartridge). 3) They have a HDD as STANDARD in ALL of their consoles, which further gives devs peace of mind, and leeway to work and add content to their games, to make them even better. And 4) The titles on the ps3 so far have barely scratched the surface of what the machine can do, and practically none of their big guns have been released yet. Infact, their biggest selling games right now are NEW IP'S (Resistance, MotorStorm, Heavenly Sword, etc)

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27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
snickersma
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Its already won!

edit - precisely, well set out mate!
27/10/2007
Buff Lounge - Level 16
ReaperX
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In conclusion people, if the 360 and ps3 were released at the same time, with all the ps3's big exclusives out (GT5, MGS4, FFXIII, etc) as well, and things were how they are now in terms of sales, Sony would be history. But the fact is, that's not the way things are. 360 fanboys should be allowed to rejoice, for their system's time is now. To them I say: Enjoy it while it lasts, because once Sony kick things into top gear, and the war REALLY begins, the 360 will have nothing left in the tank, and the console will fall behind.

(Finished)
27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
NinjaBoy
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ReaperX said: the 360 and ps3 were released at the same time



Ok know thats were your wrong the 360 im sure was released a year earlier.
27/10/2007
im at your window looking at you perving *oh hey kaite*
gdmatt
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it was released a year before... thats why there are more games.
27/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
snickersma
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No No ... you missed the "if"... tho I'm sick of all this comparison bulldust what's said, though somewhat rambling may well have some truth in it.
27/10/2007
Buff Lounge - Level 16
crazynites
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M$ will then release the 720 (or something like that) to try & keep up with the PS3 power. Ill be still enjoying my PS3 while the M$ fans can shell out more money for another console.
27/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
snickersma
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The 720! LOL ROFL - oh yeah man I can see it now... "the 1480"... classic kudos crazynites.

oh yeah sorry 1440 - well whatever!
27/10/2007
Buff Lounge - Level 16
mateo1
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woooa, nice stuff reaper!
27/10/2007
Brisbane, QLD {PSN = aimar120}
callan5
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Well said! To me people are focusing on Now, the current time and judging by how things are going in this current time, PS3 is currently last, but these people also fail to look ahead in the long run. They judge PS3 for what it is now and make that there summary, this to me is very foolish. It is very scary when you look at how amazing Heavenly Sword looks, and PS3 hasnt even scratched the surface of its potential, in fact, i find it pretty awesome that PS3 has so much untapped power yet to be produced. You're right ReaperX i do get annoyed with double posting but you atleast had the decency to let me know that you wanted to make a point and that this point would go longer than two posts.
27/10/2007
Outside Perth W.A, over those green mountains, Milkin the cows with Mandy.
ReaperX
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wii4life said:

ReaperX said: the 360 and ps3 were released at the same time



Ok know thats were your wrong the 360 im sure was released a year earlier.



I know, I didn't say they were released at the same time. I was saying that IF the two consoles were released at the same time, with Sony having all their big games out as well as the 360, and the sales records were still looking like they do now, THEN all the doomsday talk about Sony would be valid (this was going to be a response to a doomsday discussion about the ps3, by the way). But as it stands right now, the 360 has peaked. It's not going to get any better for the console, they've hit their max. Whereas the ps3 still has a ways to go before it gets to ITS' peak.

edit: just saw all the other responses after I posted a response to this guy. Yeah, alot of people seem to be focusing on the now way too much. But in time, I think that'll change.
27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
Foetoid
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Hey Reaper, why not include the Wii in the argument. I guess it's not really required as the Wii seems to be in a league of it's own and it's a lot easier to compare the two more expensive consoles that have similar features and will likely share 99% of the software. Thats one of the things i love about the Wii, the Ps3 and 360, being practically equal in terms of power, will each receieve 99% the same games, where as the Wii is forcing developers to be artistically creative to get the good graphics and to push them to use the Wiimote well. It's a good call that the Wii will be every HD console owners 'second console'...or perhaps most gamers will get a Wii and pick a HD console as the second. Either way it mathematically guarantees the Wii sells the most this gen. The real 'war' is between the 360 and Ps3.
27/10/2007
Sunshine Coast
callan5
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Well when looking at future exclusives like FFXIII *which square enix have said that the game is looking scarily close to CGI* and other games like Heavy Rain and Eight Days, makes you wonder how much power has been used to make these games look the way they are looking and look how many people doubted Killzone 2 graphic capabilities back in 2005? How wrong were they, even i was surprised how frighteningly close that came to looking identical to the 05 trailer. People need to look at the bigger picture instead of just now.
27/10/2007
Outside Perth W.A, over those green mountains, Milkin the cows with Mandy.
Foetoid
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crazynites said: M$ will then release the 720 (or something like that) to try & keep up with the PS3 power. Ill be still enjoying my PS3 while the M$ fans can shell out more money for another console.



I thought it was already keeping up the the Ps3. In fact, i have it under good authority the 360 has more overall gaming horsepower. Read it well: dpad.gotfrag.com/
27/10/2007
Sunshine Coast
gdmatt
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the 360 has more power but the ps3 HAS BETTER GRAPHICS AND BLU-RAY WHICH HOLDS 50GB!
so its not all about power, you 360 fanboy
27/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
callan5
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ROFL Foetoid noone is seriously caring about that blog article man, if that is the case then explain to me why no title on Xbox 360 looks as good as say MGS4, or GT5? I own a 360, love it to bits and the best looking game on the system would be Bioshock or GOW, however i dont reckon either these games look as good as the two i have just mentioned, and if you can find me better facial animation then Heavenly Sword and Uncharted on a 360 game then please, let me know what game it is. If the 360 does have more horse power, its certainly not showing it off to its fullest extent. And with almost 2 solid years in the bag, why hasnt it produced the killer blow, which should have belonged to Halo 3.
27/10/2007
Outside Perth W.A, over those green mountains, Milkin the cows with Mandy.
ReaperX
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Foetoid: To not include the Wii in this 'war' is exactly what Nintendo have said they wanted. They want to have the novelty console, because people enjoy novelty consoles, and they're cheap to make and sell, so yeah, they usually do well. Had the Gamecube done what the Wii is doing, it may have been just as successful, who knows. The good thing about Nintendo, is that they've accepted their place in the console world, and have instead focused on being different and quirky. The problem with novelty consoles though; they get old pretty quick. So if we were to include the Wii in the argument, it'd be the 100m sprinter in the 10k 'marathon', as opposed to the 500m sprinter that is the 360.
27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
crazynites
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Foetoid said:

crazynites said: M$ will then release the 720 (or something like that) to try & keep up with the PS3 power. Ill be still enjoying my PS3 while the M$ fans can shell out more money for another console.



I thought it was already keeping up the the Ps3. In fact, i have it under good authority the 360 has more overall gaming horsepower. Read it well: dpad.gotfrag.com/



Proberly my fault here, i didnt mean processing power, I meant the power of the PS3/SONY brand. I got my PS3 as it will last alot longer than any 360 will & by the time developers have started to show the PS3's full potential M$ will be looking at replacing the 360 with a console that can keep up with the PS3. The perfect example to this I believe is the PS2, it was released way before the xbox, & xbox was replaced in very little time by the 360 because it simply wasnt as good as the PS2/SONY brand.
27/10/2007
Melbourne, Victoria
KozaG
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Another thing not yet mentioned is how alot of the 360 fan boys complained about the price of the ps3.. Well i'd like to see their reaction when you remind them of the new 40gb console, and how we ARN'T charged so much every year to play online..

I work at kmart's service desk in my town... It's funny to see so many 360's coming back because of the great amount of hardware problems with the console..
27/10/2007
Melbourne
ReaperX
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KozaG said: Another thing not yet mentioned is how alot of the 360 fan boys complained about the price of the ps3.. Well i'd like to see their reaction when you remind them of the new 40gb console, and how we ARN'T charged so much every year to play online..



Their reaction would probably be something like "but it's a stripped down piece of crap with no bc and only 2 usb ports, you <insert cuss word>. oh, and the online service is <insert cuss word> too, you <insert multiple cuss words>". Of course... that's when you remind them of the incredible bc of EVERY 360 console, not just the newer models, and throw in a screenshot of Playstation Home.
27/10/2007
Toowoomba, Queensland
kosmos
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Actually all you really need is this...



27/10/2007
Perth
kosmos
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Since we're dealing with a fanboy... I'll put it in terms that are easily understandable...

xbox360.justgotowned.com/
27/10/2007
Perth
 
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