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Playstation 3 Software & Firmware \ GTA4 PRE order cancelled.

aaron028
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Would the US version work? I just remember that on PS2's you could only get games to work from PAL regions. That's why I import from New Zealand. I can't see any reason on canceling my order. There wont be anything major left out.
07/04/2008
Perth
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valeroso said:
Get a grip, the Australian Federal Government have more important agendas to tend to than the R18+ classification and censored GTA IV issue. This is merely a pebble in an ocean. What about the war in Iraq, national security, Indigenous health, global poverty, climate changes, asylum seekers, illiteracy, the cost of studying, tax reforms, balance in the workplace and affordable housing etc, surely these issues have to take priority right? So again like I mentioned, the Classification Amendment is essentially just a pebble in an ocean, sure you might not be happy about that but seriously, what are games in the grand scheme of things, I mean a child’s health is and will always be more important than a bunch of whinging gamers. And lastly, I do believe Australia is moving forward, and games completely have nothing do with Australia's progression.



Show me any proof that video games cause health problems to children, they are a form of entertainment just like watchin movies or post watershed tv. I am sure there are many Australians agree this old skool classification system should have been changed(Recently on the agenda, MATE)!
07/04/2008
valeroso
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rjgbyrne said: Show me any proof that video games cause health problems to children, they are a form of entertainment just like watchin movies or post watershed tv. I am sure there are many Australians agree this old skool classification system should have been changed(Recently on the agenda, MATE)!



You’ve clearly misunderstood my statement; what I said about a child’s health is relating to the Indigenous Health issue facing Australia and the global poverty crisis - surely these and other more pressing problems should take priority over the possible classification amendment.
08/04/2008
Bris Vegas
hijakkk
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ok dvd crave cancelled my pre ordered u.s version copy... that really suxxx... big time....
08/04/2008
SyDNeY. PSN= deejay01
Dante_10
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skua said: why would you want to cancell ? is it because its edited, or because you are changing your mind on if yoo want it.



Edited Is the Reason I'm Importing and Cancelled my Pre-Order
08/04/2008
Sydney, NSW
STFv1
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valeroso said: Well swearing and sex fall into 'Adult Themes' and I, to some extent and I stress thing symbolizing the unity between a man and a woman but the mass media so often desecrates it and turn it into something nasty and filthy when really it’s pure and beautiful.



Valeroso..... forfeit your Man card please
Seriously guys this discussion about "morals" and whether the content will harm the little kiddies has gone on for long enough.

No more crying i for one am getting the Aus version. because I preordered the collectors edition. Am I happy that GTA 4 will be censored?? Hell no! I don't like seeing games continually censored to fit below a MA15+ rating. I should have the final say over what I play/see or do. R18+ has to happen. Do I care enough to write massive hollier than though rants?? No.

Message = Get over it and quit crying. If the missing content will shatter your world... order from overseas (have to love that region free ) if it doesn't bother you that much... Just buy the game locally
08/04/2008
NQ
GTA-IV
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You may not be able to import of like play-asia due to the fact that it is the original and they may legally not be ably to send it here.
Your best bet is ebay if you want the full version. But still, im keepin mine.
08/04/2008
Victoria
skua
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try ebay because they will sell to anyone thats the good thing
08/04/2008
Bad Company Owns!!!!! PSN_ID: lnknpk
valeroso
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To STFv1:

Buddy, I'm more of a man than you'll ever be...and if you're going to quote me at least quote me properly which means completely (without editing it, to get your illusionary point across) and have the decency to understand it carefully before typing something you'll soon regret as it will just allude people to your idiocy. Honestly I hate having to clarify everything I’ve previously stated just so half-witted, moronic people such as yourself can better comprehend my statements.

This is what I said:

“Well swearing and sex fall into 'Adult Themes' and I, to some extent and I stress to some extent believe that swearing and sex when used correctly and artistically to further the meaning of a scene is good in fact I actually encourage it. But when things are abused, and believe me you see it everywhere, that’s when I disapprove of it. I mean sex is a beautiful thing symbolizing the unity between a man and a woman but the mass media so often desecrates it and turn it into something nasty and filthy when really it’s pure and beautiful.”

09/04/2008
Bris Vegas
valeroso
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First of all, like I mentioned above, I believe that swearing and sex when used correctly and artistically to further the meaning of a scene is good in fact I actually encourage it.” Meaning that I am completely fine and all for swearing and sex when used in a proper manner which is to reinforce a particular significance in a scene. But it’s when sex is abused and used inappropriately, that I disapprove of it and this does not relate to GTA IV in anyway; my comments are regarding general things you might encounter upon your everyday life. And yes I firmly believe sex is beautiful, and it takes more of a man to realize that, than it is otherwise.

Plus I mentioned this in a previous post on page 2:

“But clearly it’s hard to talk about morals on a game such as the GTA franchise, because when that disc pops in/slides in…morality just sleeps, so to speak.”

So when you say “Seriously guys this discussion about "morals" and whether the content will harm the little kiddies has gone on for long enough.” It completely countervails your reasoning as my statement evidently agrees with the first half of your comment, because I also believe that talking about morals on games such as the GTA franchise is ultimately futile since people who play GTA, including myself, let our morals take backseat passenger as soon as the disc goes in.

And for your future reference, it’s not a wise move to insult me.
09/04/2008
Bris Vegas
skua
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dude you dont want to get valeroso started he'll come hunting for ya mate, he is very smart

enough of the off topic, back to what i was going to say;

i think i have to say that what valeroso just said is pretty much what i think of it, and yes im not happy because i also pre ordered the collectors edition. what can you do , 19 days left, your choice, cancell the order, or keep it
09/04/2008
Bad Company Owns!!!!! PSN_ID: lnknpk
valeroso
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Thanks Skua, I appreciate that.

As for me, I’m still deciding which version I’m going to get. I wouldn’t mind purchasing the Collector’s Edition but I believe it’s actually sold out in Australia so I’m currently checking out other available options be it ebay or overseas import etc. But regarding the GTA IV censorship, truthfully, I’m not too concerned about it, I mean at the end of the day GTA IV will still be GTA IV, although I guess it would be better to experience it in its entirety, so basically yeah, I’m still deciding but I’ll probably be importing it, considering the price difference plus the opportunity to secure a Collector’s Edition, if it’s still possible.
09/04/2008
Bris Vegas
STFv1
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Hey don't take every post so seriously Valeroso. My comment that was directed at you was intended as a joke, nobody is taking any personal shots at each other over this thing...
My point was that this "debate" does not matter as it is onnly a game, something you yourself agreed with. My comment directed at you was intended to be good natured and in jest.
09/04/2008
NQ
Lexy85
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G'day all!
I'm new to this so if I'm repeating something that was said previously then I apologies. I am on the verge of pre-ordering my copy of GTAIV however like a lot of Australian gamers, I am unsure of which version to purchase (MA15+ or R18+).

If I were to buy the R18+ version would that mean that I would not be able to play online with other aussies who have purchased the MA15+ version?

And if this is the case, then are majority of Oz gamers going for the MA15+ version? Last thing I would want is to purchase the R18+ version then find out there are only a few servers with good ping.

Thanks in advance.
09/04/2008
Melbourne, Victoria
valeroso
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STFv1 said: Hey don't take every post so seriously Valeroso. My comment that was directed at you was intended as a joke, nobody is taking any personal shots at each other over this thing...
My point was that this "debate" does not matter as it is onnly a game, something you yourself agreed with. My comment directed at you was intended to be good natured and in jest.



Fair enough, but I didn't find it amusing, and your post did have a fair bit of hostility in it. I mean your telling people to get over it and quit crying plus you mentioned, “Do I care enough to write massive holier than though rants?? No.” But whatever man, I’m over it, it's water under the bridge.

Lexy85 said: G'day all!
If I were to buy the R18+ version would that mean that I would not be able to play online with other aussies who have purchased the MA15+ version?



Well honestly I’m not sure, but I’d imagine that all the censored parts will be in single player, focusing on various cut scenes, dialogues and gameplay aspects relating to the story etc, and I’m guessing since multiplayer doesn’t have a storyline or story driven cinematic cut scenes, my belief is that US versions can still connect to AUS servers and vice versa. – This is just speculation on my behalf so don’t hold me up to it yeah?

And it's nice to see a fellow Scarface fan.
09/04/2008
Bris Vegas
FamiliaGTX
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Lexy85 said: G'day all!
I'm new to this so if I'm repeating something that was said previously then I apologies. I am on the verge of pre-ordering my copy of GTAIV however like a lot of Australian gamers, I am unsure of which version to purchase (MA15+ or R18+).
If I were to buy the R18+ version would that mean that I would not be able to play online with other aussies who have purchased the MA15+ version?
And if this is the case, then are majority of Oz gamers going for the MA15+ version? Last thing I would want is to purchase the R18+ version then find out there are only a few servers with good ping.
Thanks in advance.



hey buddy, I think you might've got confused a little, in australia there is no R18+ classification for games, at all. So there will be no R18+ version of grand theft auto. The highest rating Australia offers is MA15+ and to meet the requirements for this classification, some elements of the game have been cut.

majority of people will still be happy with those, however there are a few of us that will be importing a version of the game from US or NZ as these versions will not have any cuts.

as far as any of us are aware, both versions will be able to play eachother online, and it should prioritise the lowest ping no matter where you are playing from.

Hope this answers your question
09/04/2008
mid north coast NSW
Lexy85
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FamiliaGTX said: there are a few of us that will be importing a version of the game from US or NZ as these versions will not have any cuts.

as far as any of us are aware, both versions will be able to play each other online, and it should prioritise the lowest ping no matter where you are playing from.



Well if this is the case then great! If I purchase the NZ version then I get best of both worlds, no censoring and identical online game play as the rest of the aussies.

I had no idea that the NZ version will be R18+, I feel a lot more comfortable buying from NZ than the US. Could anyone recommend a reliable place to purchase out of NZ? Someone is a different topic suggested www.gpstore.co.nz
09/04/2008
Melbourne, Victoria
FamiliaGTX
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i've already ordered the US version from www.play-asia.com there super fast and really reliable, ALOT of people form this website shop with them.

it's also about $40 cheaper than buying from here.

if u want it heres a link....

and yes that's an affiliate link, why not?

www.play-asia.com/
09/04/2008
mid north coast NSW
valeroso
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Excuse me for going off topic but I feel that I need to publicly apologize to STFv1 for my callous remarks. It’s only now that I realize the error of my judgment, and I admit that I got too defensive and ultimately let my temper get the better of me, still it’s no excuse for my behaviour. I’d say it’s a Latin thing being passionate and whatnot, but really it’s just a shortcoming of mine, and I’ve recognized that I need to learn to ease up and not be too serious all the time, so again man, I apologize.
09/04/2008
Bris Vegas
aaron028
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www.gameplanet.co.nz/ I recommend it

09/04/2008
Perth
MMaC
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geno said: no get it with all the bonus stuff, then sell your copy, then import a US one.


thats exactly what im doing.
09/04/2008
Sydney
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www.petitiononline.com/

Please sign, then we shouldn't have to import if they finally work out the R18+ Issue.

Cheers all,
09/04/2008
Lexy85
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FamiliaGTX said: i've already ordered the US version from www.play-asia.com there super fast and really reliable, ALOT of people form this website shop with them.

it's also about $40 cheaper than buying from here.

if u want it heres a link....

and yes that's an affiliate link, why not?



Wow, great website with great price. Thanks for that mate! Looks like I wont be supporting my countries economy this time...what a shame!
09/04/2008
Melbourne, Victoria
FamiliaGTX
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yeah i also bought a dual shock 3 controller from that site, it's aswesome and was fast delivery I highly recommend using them.

i'd pay the extra for UPS shipping though.. the cheapest one could be slow
10/04/2008
mid north coast NSW
|RoaCh|
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You all should know that thanks to your fantastic rating system I have been f****ng burned and have now had to cancel my pre-order of the limited edition from NZ. We are now getting shipped your crappy censored version.

You all talk about sex, prostitutes and the rest, yet have any of you at all actually have a statement on video or written that even specifies what has been removed. You seem to think it is just prostitutes and swearing (because apparently Australians are to good that kind of thing), but where is the proof. show me a single statement or clip, telling me what was cut then you can tell me I was an idiot for cancelling my NZ pre order in favour of getting a uncut - full as was intended, us version of the game.

I think you will find a lot more has been cut than just picking up ho's and flipping the bird and telling someone to f**k off. We are talking full cut scenes, missions and more. If it isn’t relevant then Rockstar would never have had to take it out in the first place.
23/04/2008
Wellington, New Zealand
 
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