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hugo
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hugo says:
Hey guys looking for a sound system for around but no higher than $1500, what should I get?

Needs:
Minimum of DTS and Dolby Digital
Minimum of 5.1
Zero distortion
HDMI input and output

Also should you plug your ps3 into the receiver then into the LCD, or into the LCD and then into the receiver?
21/05/2008
Hobart, Tasmania
iaculch
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iaculch says:
I love these ones but I don't think its what your looking for:

www.logitech.com/
21/05/2008
Sydney
chucky110
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chucky110 says:
i don't think that would even come close lol
21/05/2008
Melbourne, Victoria
iaculch
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iaculch says:

chucky110 said: i don't think that would even come close lol



Well it IS a 5.1 system
21/05/2008
Sydney
Matrix6
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Matrix6 says:

hugo said: Hey guys looking for a sound system for around but no higher than $1500, what should I get?
Needs:
Minimum of DTS and Dolby Digital
Minimum of 5.1
Zero distortion
HDMI input and output
Also should you plug your ps3 into the receiver then into the LCD, or into the LCD and then into the receiver?



Are you wanting a Receiver with 5.1 Speaker package?? For $1500, you probably won't be able to use the PS3's full capability (sound wise)! ie. Blu-ray movies use Dolby TrueHD & dts-HD!

BTW, with HDMI inputs, you only next to plug in your PS3 (via HDMI cable) into the receiver while the receiver is plugged into your LCD TV (via HDMI)...which means you can only play your PS3 when the receiver is turned 'on'!

As for your budget, you can do some research at JB or Harver Norman. Tell them your buget, tell them what package you want and what you'll use it for. Some receivers are better for movies, others for music! Try to stick to well established brands! For quality.

That's my 1 cents worth. Hope it helps a bit. Good luck!
21/05/2008
The Matrix, Victoria
fd3s
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fd3s says:
www.yamahamusic.com.au/

something like this for starters is pretty good
21/05/2008
Melbourne
Clunk
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Clunk says:
Don't go for Logitech- I got 5.1 Logitech hooked up to my PC, fine when cold but when you use em for long periods in warm temp they crackle n pop!
21/05/2008
Angaston,South Australia
hugo
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hugo says:

Matrix6 said: Are you wanting a Receiver with 5.1 Speaker package?? For $1500, you probably won't be able to use the PS3's full capability (sound wise)! ie. Blu-ray movies use Dolby TrueHD & dts-HD!
BTW, with HDMI inputs, you only next to plug in your PS3 (via HDMI cable) into the receiver while the receiver is plugged into your LCD TV (via HDMI)...which means you can only play your PS3 when the receiver is turned 'on'!



Yeah the guys at Sony Central kept saying that whilst trying to sell me $3-4000 sound systems when I bought my 52" Bravia X.

But really at the moment I'd just be happy with a high quality surround system set-up coming from an experience of two speaker stereo, without going to 7.1 and hd sound at this stage.

So I would have to go hdmi into the tv first and then hdmi out from the tv into the receiver?

That Yamaha is actually pretty cool! But I'm worried about the 90w per channel will that distort if I start playing music loudly?
21/05/2008
Hobart, Tasmania
Matrix6
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Matrix6 says:
The sound on the Bravia is pretty good, though IMO I don't think 2.1ch is not gonna cut it in the near future! More & more games are coming out with dedicated 5.1ch for the game with great benefits. Even PSN games have support 5.1ch!

But if you really just want 2.1, u won't really need a receiver & it's won't greatly improve the sound compared to ur Bravia. Except for more oomph (via sub-woofer!)

As for the HDMI connections, if you connect your PS3 directly to the receiver then u'll get optimum sound straight out. If it's directly connected to ur tv it may need calibration with the sound?? And use up more HDMI ports. Nothing major though.

Here's a tip: I'd hold on a bit and wait for all the end of financial year sales in both commercial retailers & specialists! Also, AV specialists sell second-hand sound systems for good price and would not sell those if they were in bad conditions! (think of them as luxury car re-sellers ie. Audi, BMW, Mercs, etc.)

As for the Yamaha, real output power produced will actually considerably less than 90w per channel! Don't really know how to explain this properly, but if you take the wattage output written on the back of the receiver near where the power plug goes in to & devide it by 5 (as in a 5.1ch receiver)...you'll actually get less than 90w per channel! That's because it can only output the maximum power if you're only using 1 channel, otherwise it's just sharing 5 speaker power out of the receiver!
21/05/2008
The Matrix, Victoria
Winnie
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Winnie says:
Logitech Z-5500 is a wonderful set of speakers. Good price, too. No HDMI, though...
21/05/2008
Melbourne
iaculch
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iaculch says:
I don't wana start a new thread but this is my question:

I have a sony bravia, they have a speaker on each side of the screen (2), I also have some logitech 2.1 speakers and they are connected by the normal headphone jack to my bravia and can play while the Bravia speakers are playing. Is there anyway that I can combine the tv's speakers with my 2.1 speakers to simulate/make a 4.1 sound system. I probably won't be able to, but it dosn't hurt to ask
21/05/2008
Sydney
hugo
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hugo says:
Cheers matrix think you may have slightly misunderstood me, there is no way I'll be using the Bravia as teh sound output and I'm looking for a system with at least 5.1 speakers.

Something confuses me a bit reading stuff on the net though, if the ps3 decodes dolby digital-hd and dts-hd does the reciever need to? And also apparently watchign soem Cnet reviews some of the Onkyo's even though they have hdmi inputs only receive video through the hdmi which flys in the face of what I thought of hdmi, that a single cord carried both. How can you tell looking at specs whether thehdmi input carries both signals?

Is Onkyo any good?
21/05/2008
Hobart, Tasmania
Matrix6
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Matrix6 says:
@ iaculch: Sorry no. It doesn't work that way!

@ hugo: That's cool. Onkyo is a good brand, really good on the higher end range (but also very xpensiv!) As for the decoded sounds, yes the receiver also needs the same sound coding! It's just like ur tv with HDMI...it's got it, but if a console doesn't then you won't see it work the way it's suppose to! Confused?

You need a Receiver that has Repeaters - one HDMI cable will cover both pic&sound. Switchers - 1x HDMI for video & 1x normal cable for sound! BUT, if you have a Receiver with v1.3a HDMI compatibility, then you cover for video/sound/1080p/HD sound all in one HDMI cable!

Mid-range to hi-end Receivers have v1.3a built-in.

For mid-range: Onkyo, Yamaha, Marantz are good (Onkyo/Yamaha share very similar component inside)

Though pricing is getting up to the stratosphere here! And that's just the receiver! Good speakers will cost just as much as the Receiver itself!!!

For hi-end range: Pioneer, Sony (only their top of the range is best)

21/05/2008
The Matrix, Victoria
Kiwijoe
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Kiwijoe says:

hugo said:
Is Onkyo any good?



Onkyo are good once u get up around the $1800 range for just the reciver amp no speakers , there budget packages that include speakers suck imo

with sound systems you really do get what you pay for quality makes all the differnce an dont skimp out with cheaper speakers cause its no use having a quality amp with lousy speakers

if you've bought a 52" bravia you really do owe it to yourself to get a top quality sound system to go along with it

the yamaha starter package YHT-795 is brilliant for what it is an will last you along time for what you need

best advice is do some looking an listening visit hifi specialist stores around your area an have a listen to the systems yourself its no use spending more $$$ then you need to if you cant tell the differnce sound wise between a quality or budget system






21/05/2008
at the pub
Entice
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Entice says:
Connections:

For both picture and audio via HDMI: PS3-->Amp-->TV

So you will need 2 HDMI cables.

Your TV only has HDMI in, so it will only accept a signal, not send it out.

Onkyo is a good brand, try Yamaha as well.
21/05/2008
Cambridge Uni!
iNiff
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iNiff says:
check if jb still have the set i got. Onkyo605+6 speakers (supports 7.1, hdmi, truehd etc etc everything) $1500 from memory and its an awesome system.
22/05/2008
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texinick
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texinick says:
If you are only after 5.1, then I second the Z-5500 suggestion www.logitech.com/ (I paid $400 for these speakers through MSY about 2 years ago.)

I have a set here, and love them, no crackling or popping here as was suggested in another post. They are also THX certified.

I have my PS3 hooked up to the TV via HDMI, and connected to the speakers via the optical cable. If you are only getting a 5.1 system, I don't believe the HDMI would make any difference over optical.

For this price, they are a damn fine option, not something I'll be replacing until Logitech bring out there next versions. I used to have Syntax speakers (floor standing at front, and smaller, wall mounted at rear) and a Sony receiver, but even with all the same branded speakers I found they didn't match tonally, whereas these all work great together.
22/05/2008
Dorrigo, NSW
fd3s
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fd3s says:
soory but good speaqkers cost far more than the reciever..... good spekaers are very expensive and the best thing about them is that speaker (good ones that is) maintain value better than the rest of the AV equipment.... so its a great investment...
22/05/2008
Melbourne
Ello85
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Ello85 says:
Hugo check out my pics. its a cheap but wicked sound system
If want some info on it just PM me
22/05/2008
Sydney, nsw
omfgBenneh
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omfgBenneh says:
www.techbuy.com.au/
22/05/2008
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jinx405
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jinx405 says:

texinick said: If you are only after 5.1, then I second the Z-5500 suggestion www.logitech.com/ (I paid $400 for these speakers through MSY about 2 years ago.)

I have a set here, and love them, no crackling or popping here as was suggested in another post. They are also THX certified.

For this price, they are a damn fine option, not something I'll be replacing until Logitech bring out there next versions. I used to have Syntax speakers (floor standing at front, and smaller, wall mounted at rear) and a Sony receiver, but even with all the same branded speakers I found they didn't match tonally, whereas these all work great together.



guys... i would suggest NOT buying the logitech z5500 speakers just yet. logitech have tried using a new fuse in the system, which shorts whenever you turn them off and hence, rendering the speakers useless.

i bought my set in nov last year, and after replacing the set 4 times, i finally gave them in for a refund 2 weeks ago. don;t get me wrong, they sound fantastic for $400, but the current sets are annoyingly faulty!

hugo, Onkyo are known to be pretty good, despite not having a big brand name known on the mainstream market. like what the others have said here, try listening to some sets at the shops to see if its to your liking before purchasing
22/05/2008
Sydney
texinick
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texinick says:
That's strange? I've had my set for two years, and never had a problem with them. Ah hang on... I had one blown fuse and it was a result of a thunderstorm. Good job it had a fuse otherwise the whole thing would have been fried.

Other than that, had no issues at all.
22/05/2008
Dorrigo, NSW
jinx405
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jinx405 says:

texinick said: That's strange? I've had my set for two years, and never had a problem with them. Ah hang on... I had one blown fuse and it was a result of a thunderstorm. Good job it had a fuse otherwise the whole thing would have been fried.

Other than that, had no issues at all.



yeah i found it really strange as well.. but the guy at the shop told me its only with the newer sets. i have 2 friends that have had it for more than a year, and no problems whatsoever. i guess its safer to wait til that issue is sorted than to try your luck and buy it now. trust me, its quite frustrating having to unpack and then repack the huge woofer and everything else numerous times
22/05/2008
Sydney
ZOIDBERG
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ZOIDBERG says:  
Can someone recommend me a good quality Optical Switch? I dont want to loose any AQ (Audio Quality)

I have 4 Optical cords but only 2 Optical inputs on my Receiver. I was looking at getting a Joytech Control Centre 540c and just use it for a Optical Switch. This one - www.joytech.net/

After one with a remote hopefully.

So if anyone can recommend me one, it would be great.
22/05/2008
Planet Earth, New New York
Jeffie
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Jeffie says:

Matrix6 said:

Are you wanting a Receiver with 5.1 Speaker package?? For $1500, you probably won't be able to use the PS3's full capability (sound wise)! ie. Blu-ray movies use Dolby TrueHD & dts-HD!

As for your budget, you can do some research at JB or Harver Norman. Tell them your buget, tell them what package you want and what you'll use it for.



2 points that are waaaay off target. as long as a receiver can take audio via hdmi, it can take advantage of blu ray movies, because the ps3 sends these via pcm, so you dont need the amp to decode the bitstreamed audio.

dont ever, ever listen to what the budgies at JB or harvey norman tell you - chances are they will point you to a system that there is a bonus for selling that month.

My advice would be to build your system up slowly. get a nice amp like a yamaha 1800 or 663/863 or onkyo 705, and buy a cheapy set of speakers like those dream ones from ebay.

Like FD said, you should spend a shtload more on speakers than the amp, and getting a good amp from the start gives you a good base so you dont have to touch that for a while as you upgrade around it.

once youve got your amp take your time and listen to as many speakers as possible in shops running off your amp (there should be plenty with either of those 2). see what you like the sound of, and start by buying the front 2 and go from there (as the budget al
22/05/2008
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