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Playstation 3 Software & Firmware \ LCD or Plasma for PS3?

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Damn Entice you sure know your TV's man, you make the every day TV salesman look like rookies. By the way your pic didnt show up man

14/11/2007

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Entice says:

Hehe thanks Callan. By the way, my Harvey Norman has the 32" pana for $1300, I'm sure it would be cheaper in Perth right?

14/11/2007

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stonecold says:

Looking to buy a new TV real soon and I'm deciding between the sony x series and the pioneer Kuro. Here are the links
www.sony.com.au/

www.pioneer.com.au/

What benefits will i encounter between the two
Mainly use for gaming and movies
Any help will be appreciated

30/11/2007

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Entice says:

I will offer you my full service:

For LCDs, gaming is the best since there will be no pixel burn ins. The pixel density of LCDs will also greatly enhance your HD experience whilst gaming. However, LCDs still suffer from motion lag and will show blurry scenes when playing a fast action game. Same goes with movies, LCDs can display very nice HD content, but will suffer from poor contrast and low response time. LCDs however, will run cooler and will use less electricity. In addition, if you are unlucky, your LCD TV may get dead pixels stuck on the screen

Now, PDPs (Plasma Display Panels) is not recommended for long period-gaming, since there will be pixel burn ins = DEATH OF THE TV. But on the plus side, PDPs will show exceptional colours and contrast, along with excellent response time and colour bit depth. The bad thing is, PDPs tend to be noisier due to the fans and they will consume more electricity.

Here's a simple break down:

LCDs:
-For bright rooms
-Mostly gaming, can handle limitless hours of constant gaming
-Very good pixel density
-Consume less power = less heat = suitable for a small room
-Can use as a computer monitor
-Take a while to warm up the screen = darker pictures

30/11/2007

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Entice says:

(cont)

PDPs:
-"Okay" for gaming, but may be risky
-Exceptional for movies
-Brilliant for dark rooms
-Need to be in well ventilated area = big room
-Good for sport contents
-If placed opposite to a window or a light, there will be some reflections.

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The Sony X and the Pioneer Kuro are the two top TVs on the market right now - that is, until Sharp releases their THX certified TVs (image quality 98% close to how the movie was filmed).

In my own opinion, I would buy the Pioneer Kuro, it may be more expensive, but my God....your eyes will thank you when you have this TV.

I am thinking of getting the Pioneer 1080p 50 Kuro as well, must sell my old Bravia X though.

Hope this helped.

PS. that image of the Pioneer isn't a Kuro, now are you thinking of the Kuro or that one?

30/11/2007

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Entice says:

UPDATE: Sorry I forgot to mention this!

By the end of 2008, most LCD TVs will have an LED backlight, which will drastically improve the contrast and motion response of the TV itself. LCD technology is improving by the second, so your Bravia X will be outdated by a large margin by next year.

However, the Pioneer Kuro was engineered right from the ground up, therefore there won't be much changes in the newer models.

30/11/2007

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RedDevil7 says:

wow entice where were u when i was getting my tv

30/11/2007

Melbourne

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Entice says:

I was setting up my cookie factory XD

What TV do you have?

30/11/2007

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RerunWii says:

LCD, that's it... Unless you want burn in, and who dosn't, it's like playing all the games you own every time the screen turns black!

30/11/2007

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RedDevil7 says:

I have a Samsung 40" M8 (LA40M81BDX)

30/11/2007

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Entice says:

RerunWii said: LCD, that's it... Unless you want burn in, and who dosn't, it's like playing all the games you own every time the screen turns black!

Or rainbow

RedDevil7 said: I have a Samsung 40" M8 (LA40M81BDX)

Nice TV! 15:000 dynamic contrast ratio, the first LCD to have that. With the screen coating that differs it from all the other LCDs = it is a little bit reflective. Have you experienced anything wrong with the Movie Plus (I'm not sure if that's what it's called) option?

Otherwise, it is a very nice TV. Samsung stands at No.1 for selling the most LCD TVs.

30/11/2007

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RedDevil7 says:

Really, thats great to hear, it was that or the sony bravia and my gf like the look of the samsung and the coating is a little reflective but looked good in the store and looks even better in my room, usually dark in my room. blu-ray movies look fantastic. and to be honest i dont even know what the movies plus is.. ive seen the option but not sure if i have ever used it, i just read some people are having some trouble with it

30/11/2007

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Mark1308 says:

RedDevil, how much did that set u back $$??
and how long does it take for an LCD to warm up?

30/11/2007

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stonecold says:

Thanks heaps for the info Entice

I mean the Kuro one. I thought the pixel burn ins were a thing of the past.

30/11/2007

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zyxses says:

This is a handy little thread! I've put off buying a new TV untill next year. There is supposed to be some you-beaut technology coming next year...LED backlights and laser TV is on the horizon as well! .............................. .............................. .............................. Funny how we go 50 years with cathode ray TV and in the last ten we've got plasma, LCD with all sorts of new options on the horizon.

30/11/2007

"A sure way to lose happiness is to want it at the expense of everything else."--Bette Davis

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Entice says:

Mark1308 said: RedDevil, how much did that set u back $$??
and how long does it take for an LCD to warm up?

Around 1 minute, when you first turn it on, the picture will be a bit dark, but after a while it will get back to its normal condition. This is because the liquid works best when it is warm (more kinetic energy).

stonecold said: Thanks heaps for the info Entice I mean the Kuro one. I thought the pixel burn ins were a thing of the past.

It still happens unfortunately, but with the Kuro, the chances are 30% if you leave a still image on for a long time.

On the contrary, the Kuro may not inhibit that problem due to the fact that the Kuro PDPs are designed differently; say...the TV uses a new crystal emissive layer that speeds up the electrical discharge rate of the plasma cells, so your blacks will be blacker - could this resolve the screen burn ins? I am not so sure. But being the top of the range TV, the Kuro will not disappoint.

UPDATE: Oh my God...I am going to cry right now.....THE PIONEER 50INCH 1080P KURO SUPPORTS 24BIT DEEP COLOUR! AAHHH!!!! This is amazing! This TV will future proof you for at least 4 years.

30/11/2007

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Mark1308 says:

wow u know s***loads bout this stuff Entice, how?? haha

30/11/2007

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Entice says:

It's a long story....

Okay, when I was out and about trying to purchase a new TV (my Philips LCD broke...), I basically traveled around NSW to gather different opinions. Each time I ask a new salesperson some questions, they would tell me a different story.

I got so confused and angry about all these techno gizmos; I decided to be my own salesperson.

It started off on the internet, where I would spend an hour each day researching all the key technologies and analysing them. I then would pop into shops fairly regularly to check up on the TVs and perform my own analysis (eg piss the salesman off so they would not bother me).

After a few months, I decided to offer help to my friends and family members (it was in October 2006, the time where new TVs are released) - so I offered help and TAH DAH....I advised them on the right TVs and now they are happy old chaps.

It wasn't until November 2006 that I bought the TV I had been looking for, I refused all help from the salesmen and outsmarted all of them by asking all these questions on the technology used in the TVs and their specifications. In the end, I ended up purchasing a 46inch 1080p Sony Bravia X.

But worst came when my TV suffered the ubiquitous "backlight clouding" effect. I gave Sony calls every week but the same reply came back to me: "You need to let the TV stay on for 96 hours straight." - Nothing solved it.

01/12/2007

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Entice says:

(cont)

So there I was on my journey to find another TV: This time I went for a 52inch 1080p Sharp AQUOS. The end result? The Sharp performed exceptionally well and defeated the BRAVIA....amazing huh? Yes, I studied the history of the technologies and the brands themselves. Then I found out that Sharp had been making LCD TVs a lot longer than Sony and Samsung.

My friends however, listened to the verbose salesmen and purchased the crappy TVs. I felt a great sense of satisfaction when I said to them: "I told you so." That is how I know all the bad and the good TVs.

I've been studying TVs so much that now I can predict what is going to be released next, scary huh?

I am planning to sell my poor old Sony BRAVIA X and save up for a 1080p 50inch (maybe 60...) Pioneer Kuro - this is the right time to realise that Plasmas offer better values and quality than LCDs, well, at least for the Pioneer Kuro.

You might as well think that I'm a freaky internet nerd who stalks TV salesmen and kipnaps them...lol - I'm actually a lonely 1st year Med student

I hope my great fairy tale has enticed you to NOT listen to others' impractical advice, but to go and search for your own answer....because in life, you know what is best for you after all.

01/12/2007

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fd3s says:

my word of advice to the purchaser is get the biggest decent brand native 1080p tv you can afford.

plasma burn ins are the old plasmas all the latest one have this anti burn built in (if you look very closely the pixels move slightly)

even the current lcd motion blur is in the past with most of the new lcds are around 5ms response rate (which plasmas are also around), therefore should be no problems.

only big issue with lcd is the low contrast ration and plasmas is the heat and power consumption issue (which i wouldnt even consider)

01/12/2007

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Entice says:

Yes, but there is always a possibility of the plasma gas cells bursting.

5ms response rate? Only Sharp has that, Sony, Samsung and other known brand TVs only have 8ms. The new technology is called 100Mhz : where the framerate is "artificially" doubled in order to make the image transition smoother. Plasmas are around the 2ms response time nowadays, that is why plasmas don't need 100Mhz in order to conquer motion lag. Pioneer has gone down the other end to implement 72Hz in their Kuro plasmas - this is the correct Hz of the original films.

LCDs do tend to suffer from very low contrast ratio and lower colour reproduction. With plasmas now reaching the Deep Colour era, I am not so sure if LCDs can reach that within a few years - but don't lose hope...LED backlighting will improve LCD TVs drastically, hence it is not wise to purchase an LCD TV right now.

Plasma is the way to go at the moment. There are periods where plasmas/LCDs are dominant.

01/12/2007

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dingoboy says:

entice my new toshiba has 6.5 ms response rate and is fine for sports..
as for all this 1080p crap get over it you can barley notice it unless you have a least 46" and even then its not worth the extra grand you pay..

01/12/2007

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Entice says:

6.5ms? Are you sure?

Yes, 1080p is best for screen larger than 40 inches. Why do people want 1080p screens? That's because these big bad companies are using 1080p as a marketing tool.

01/12/2007

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RedDevil7 says:

it is a marketing ploy but believe me even on a 40" tv 1080p is noticable, thats not to say that 720p doesnt look amazing cause it really looks amazing especially with sports, but side to side the differences are noticable even if it is minimal

01/12/2007

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Vinzor says:

when i get a new tv, i'm soo asking you to help, entice~

01/12/2007

hello kitty land.

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