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smashbro says:

science makes more sense than religion.

science ftw!

02/08/2008

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Unhostile says:

I might leave this thread round about now....

02/08/2008

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Gaetano says:

If anyone actually wants to argue this, check out my posts on page 6.

02/08/2008

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geno says:

i just find it funny

if u addmited to taliking to an invisible person that knows everything and sees everything then your are considered insain and a lunitic.

yet you call it religion and that is socialy acceptible

my fav atheist comedian

02/08/2008

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stonecold says:

Nah, John Safran vs God

02/08/2008

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bigtom_999 says:

stonecold said: Nah, John Safran vs God

agreed

02/08/2008

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acefreemok says:

stonecold said: Nah, John Safran vs God

John Safran isn't an Athiest! He is Jewish.
The greatest comedian of all time happens to be athiest and that is Bill Hicks, although George Carlin was very good.

02/08/2008

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acefreemok says:

jebusman said:
exactly... there is too much design in everything.. intelligent design

Intelligent design is anti-science and any genuine analysis of it tears it to shreds. The only genuine theory (at least that I'm aware of) that logically explains how we got to where we are is evolution.

There is no design in our world, just the allusion of design, which if you understand the theory of evolution the end product of billions of years of evolution.

Intelligent design is deeply flawed in that, in order for anything to create something as complex as life around us, that "being" would have to be even more complex and then you are left with the question of how that being came into existence. The only logical suggestion I've ever heard put forward is the incredibly low evolution of the species of billions of years.

02/08/2008

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Sandyman says:

There is no god!!!!!.......

02/08/2008

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iaculch says:

I don't really get how people can believe what Darwin said when he lived in the times when no-one new what atoms and cells were.

02/08/2008

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blu3man says:

acefreemok said:
jebusman said:

exactly... there is too much design in everything.. intelligent design

Intelligent design is anti-science and any genuine analysis of it tears it to shreds. The only genuine theory (at least that I'm aware of) that logically explains how we got to where we are is evolution.

There is no design in our world, just the allusion of design, which if you understand the theory of evolution the end product of billions of years of evolution.

Intelligent design is deeply flawed in that, in order for anything to create something as complex as life around us, that "being" would have to be even more complex and then you are left with the question of how that being came into existence. The only logical suggestion I've ever heard put forward is the incredibly low evolution of the species of billions of years.

actually your wrong. Intelligent design is all around us. Look up 1.61803399.

02/08/2008

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acefreemok says:

blu3man said:

actually your wrong. Intelligent design is all around us. Look up 1.61803399.

I wondered when someone was going to mention the golden ratio...
Stop reading Dan Brown novels.

www.maa.org/

Intelligent design is essentially used in the united states to masquerade religion as science in order to foist christianity on others.

It is not science, it is not biology and is not an accepted scientific theory. Darwinism is all three of these...

www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/

03/08/2008

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Silence says:

My Belief:

Who cares where and how it all began? What matters is that we're alive at this moment and we may as well make the most of it.

03/08/2008

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Elraro says:

Silence said: My Belief:

Who cares where and how it all began? What matters is that we're alive at this moment and we may as well make the most of it.

Amen. Such is the true meaning of life.

03/08/2008

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malaka says:

hi everyone

very interesting thread here ^____^

anywho i see lost of ppl saying where did god comes from? well he always was and always will be ZOMG *head asplodes*

anyway the meaning of life is chintendo vii

nah but srsly think about it bazigillions of years ago who the **** was there? what the **** was there? why do we care?

maybe god made the big bang? he said let there be a universe *BANG BANG BABOOOM!!!* and theres the puniverse

what do ppl think will hppen wen we die? nothing? what is nothing? no black or white? what colour (tone) will be there? no feelings no thought no dreams not comprehendable either is this "where was i before i was born? what did it feel like?" and no in ur dads ball sack because its the egg and sperm mixed together which make us up so u fail @ ur brain if u think that lol

and gaetano ur writing a book? thats heaps awesome!! sounds cool hope it sells well tell me wen its out and ill go buy it

03/08/2008

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ozchap says:

Gaetano said: (sorry for the double post)
This is part of a prologue to a book I'm writing.
It’s unfortunate that Religion is so common in everyday lifestyle. The argument as to why we should believe in one religion is strong and thoroughly considered, yet the argument against Religion is often downsized and criticised. Why is this? Why is it so hard to associate life without religion? Is it so hard to have faith in yourself, family and friends, rather than a supernatural being who, by all intent and purposes, has no influence on our lives (if they do in-fact exist)?

yeah but dont forget Gaetano, that not ALL religions involve having faith in an unknown "god"......there are quite a few which recognise your own inner self as the all-powerful and influential figure in that religion.......for example buddhism?

heard of Chi? thats not a god, yet it is the central belief of certain Tibetan Monks......and a few million others

03/08/2008

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Astrolite says:

If the christians were so sure of thier religion, (as most people are christian ei. polititions, cops and so on...) then murder wouldn't be illegal! Why box someone up for just a speck of thier existance if God is going to punish them by sending their immortal soul to burn in the depths of hell for all eternity? Why sould their be a punishment for sending someone to be with their ansestors and God and Jesus, where they can be in paradise and all be together and watch over you for the rest of your life? Sounds like your doing them a favour at your own expense, yet murdering christians is still frowned apon...

03/08/2008

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drady says:

CAN WE LOCK THIS THREAD, THIS IS PS3 NEWS, THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH PLEASE. GO FIND A POLITICAL/RELIGOUS FORUM. NO OFFENCE.

03/08/2008

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dsreaper says:

Astrolite said: If the christians were so sure of thier religion, (as most people are christian ei. polititions, cops and so on...) then murder wouldn't be illegal! Why box someone up for just a speck of thier existance if God is going to punish them by sending their immortal soul to burn in the depths of hell for all eternity? Why sould their be a punishment for sending someone to be with their ansestors and God and Jesus, where they can be in paradise and all be together and watch over you for the rest of your life? Sounds like your doing them a favour at your own expense, yet murdering christians is still frowned apon...

Short answer, like most (probably all) religeons they believe only God has the right to take a life.

I don't understand why they must forever be at war, I get a feeling of contemptment with myself and the world around me through spiritualism and I have respect for science and the amazing things it's done for us!
It's a stupid fight that should end.

03/08/2008

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Mobe1969 says:

acefreemok said:
jebusman said:

exactly... there is too much design in everything.. intelligent design

Intelligent design is anti-science and any genuine analysis of it tears it to shreds. The only genuine theory (at least that I'm aware of) that logically explains how we got to where we are is evolution.

There is no design in our world, just the allusion of design, which if you understand the theory of evolution the end product of billions of years of evolution.

Intelligent design is deeply flawed in that, in order for anything to create something as complex as life around us, that "being" would have to be even more complex and then you are left with the question of how that being came into existence. The only logical suggestion I've ever heard put forward is the incredibly low evolution of the species of billions of years.

LOL. And evolution as well is a highly flawed religion. Entropy is a physical law it spits in the face of. It is an even bigger fairy tale with no real answers either. It still does not scientifically explain the origin of life or even matter. Is is still total unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable (?) but the "believers" in that religion take it on faith as "science".

And Astrolite - yeah, I have the same sort of thoughts on the non science religions. They always seemed kind of hateful and fear driven. And with christi

03/08/2008

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acefreemok says:

Evolution is science, not a religion. Religion is about belief. Science is about finding truth through established facts.
Darwinism while being described as a theory, is actually supported by many many facts. We have ample fossilised evidence that shows the evolution of many species of creatures. To deny the evidence of evolution in this day and age is akin to deny the fact the earth is round.

It does provide answers too, including one very important answer which is how did simple organisms evolve to the point where we are today.

Whether you believe in God or not, Darwinism is probably the strongest and most accepted theories of biological science. It does not disprove the existence of god. It just explains how and why we evolved to where we are.

Intelligent Design on the other hand is a weapon of the American Taliban used in their holy war to replace science with religion.

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blu3man says:

I have a problem with the theory of evolution. The fact our DNA is closer to pigs and rats then apes disturbs the premise that we came from apes. If evolution were a true process, we are very likely to be descendants of rats and pigs.

For those who dont believe me ask yourself why we cant use organs of apes inside a human body. Then note that we can recieve organ donations from our second closes DNA relative (pigs with rats being the first).

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Mobe1969 says:

acefreemok said: Evolution is science, not a religion. Religion is about belief. Science is about finding truth through established facts.

Darwinism while being described as a theory, is actually supported by many many facts. We have ample fossilised evidence that shows the evolution of many species of creatures. To deny the evidence of evolution in this day and age is akin to deny the fact the earth is round.

It does provide answers too, including one very important answer which is how did simple organisms evolve to the point where we are today.

You are still taking all of the so called science behind evolution as truth. It is speculation. You are still taking it on faith. It does not answer "how did simple organisms evolve to the point where we are today" with an answer any more scientifically provable than creationism. Entropy is scientific fact. It is a scientific LAW not a THEORY. Evolution goes 100% against it. It is as ridiculous as saying that if you left your hard drive long enough that magnetic errors over time would turn a blank disc into the most awesome game. If you gave it long enough. If you believe that, you would probably still believe in Santa Claus. You still have to take evolution on FAITH.

03/08/2008

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Hugh_Man says:

All THINKING men are Atheists........Ernest Hemmingway

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing, all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."..........Gene Roddenberry

"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him."..........Arthur C. Clarke

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."..........Albert Einstein

"Randomness scares people. Religion is a way to explain randomness."..........Fran Lebowitz

"I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time."..........Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

"The last Christian died on a cross."..........Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

"I think; therefore I am."..........Rene Descartes

"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God."..........Thomas Edison

"If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing"..........Anatole France

"I've been reading an Alabama newspaper that one man shot another man because he beat him in a Bible-quoting competition."..........Richard Dawkins

03/08/2008

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blu3man says:

Oh ok, now im going into it.

Lets talk about faith... How do you know whats real? Maybe everyone in the world is telling you a lie. What we call the truth and our objective reality is a collective of our subjective thoughts.

Ill explain this concept. When i see an apple i can see its green. You may also see the same apple as being green. But between us there might be a slight colour different due to damage on our eyes. Eg, a colourblind person might see the apple as being brown.

But is the apple brown?

The perhaps too obvious answer in no. 2 or more people with "normal" perception saw it as being green.

But what happened if we all had some deficiency in what we could sense in the world around us ?(think about the original matrix, "reality" is what the populous accepted even though it might not have been true).

So in that sense we are all relying on our FAITH in some way or another. If you believe in science you are taking on faith that what scientists told you is true. (remember propaganda is still very much apparent in our society and alot of people take it to be true...)

We define our own reality based apon what we believe.

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