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Peakon
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Most of the wars in the world are caused by religion and difference of opinion, i'm a believer of if there was no religion and people thought for themselves instead of being told how things were or should be the world itself would be a better place today..
01/08/2008
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Peakon said: Most of the wars in the world are caused by religion and difference of opinion, i'm a believer of if there was no religion and people thought for themselves instead of being told how things were or should be the world itself would be a better place today..



thank you!!!

so true
01/08/2008
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skua
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topher said:


mickyt888 said: this thread is turning into a god is not real thread is really bad.
and yes i don't have to go the church every sunday.


No it isnt, people are throwing their opinions out there except for a select idiot who is trying to say science is evvviilll lol.
Skua, why do you believe religion exists?

well i believe religion exists for many reasons. id be going over 1500 characters explaining lol but, the religion i believe in has a very big sense that god does exist, and all the religious stories told.
01/08/2008
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topher
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Peakon said: Most of the wars in the world are caused by religion and difference of opinion, i'm a believer of if there was no religion and people thought for themselves instead of being told how things were or should be the world itself would be a better place today..


i agree to an extent, there will still be people who will start wars and kill out of greed. There will always be mentally challenged people who will kill innocent people etc, but (excuse the pun) god knows how many years people have been killing each other over religion
01/08/2008
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SiR409
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Hey guys, cool thread.. I'm a christian, and have very strong creationist beliefs, so I welcome the discussion. Would be good to see people being respective of each others thoughts, else the discussion will be forced to close.

Anyway, before I get too far into it, I'd like to compare the theory of evolution, with the theory of creation, in one quick point. Evolution started, where? God started, where?

Both ideas, both theories, cannot be explained in any 'natural' sense. Any idea has to start with a supernatural concept.

The concept of Christianity, is based on spirituality. You're a spiritual being, in a sense.. which determines your being, your heart and thoughts and emotions. You were created, you were designed, you were made in God's perfect image. You weren't chanced into existence by a big bang that dropped a whole buncha stuff around which eventually turned into you. Love, think about love. Think about tastes. How did evolution determine your abililty to choose, your ability to love? Your spirit, your character, was designed by God.

The world, and its innermost intricacies, are perfectly designed. Everything has its place, has its purpose. Nothing is there by chance or by accident.
01/08/2008
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skua
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SiR409 said: Hey guys, cool thread.. I'm a christian, and have very strong creationist beliefs, so I welcome the discussion. Would be good to see people being respective of each others thoughts, else the discussion will be forced to close.
Anyway, before I get too far into it, I'd like to compare the theory of evolution, with the theory of creation, in one quick point. Evolution started, where? God started, where?
Both ideas, both theories, cannot be explained in any 'natural' sense. Any idea has to start with a supernatural concept.
The concept of Christianity, is based on spirituality. You're a spiritual being, in a sense.. which determines your being, your heart and thoughts and emotions. You were created, you were designed, you were made in God's perfect image. You weren't chanced into existence by a big bang that dropped a whole buncha stuff around which eventually turned into you. Love, think about love. Think about tastes. How did evolution determine your abililty to choose, your ability to love? Your spirit, your character, was designed by God.
The world, and its innermost intricacies, are perfectly designed. Everything has its place, has its purpose. Nothing is there by chance or by accident.

exactly right. im a muslim and im proud of it. god didnt create things without a reason, and i will never think that god dosent exist, nor do i question if god really exists.
01/08/2008
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S0NY said: Can't everyone just live for SONY Computer Entertainment, like me!!!




Can you stop saying that, your sucking up to SONY to much lately..
01/08/2008
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skua
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its true S0NY, this thread will get locked if you do continue that
01/08/2008
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S0NY
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Ok, so you want me to lose my passion?
01/08/2008
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skua
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no, but is it seriously your religion ?
01/08/2008
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goks
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it come down to individual believe.
Religion is not as powerful today as in dark age where most have burned at the stake for being heretics non-believe all think to Skeptical
01/08/2008
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topher
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SiR409, nice reply this is the type of conversation that is good to get into not "god is right because i say so" or "science is right because i say so"

Have a read up on the 'big bang' theory though mate, its not how you think of it... things just didnt fall into place. Infact the Big bang theory doesn't try to prove how the universe was created it is merely showing how the universe is expanding. People will see that andd think well if that is how it is expanding that is how it was made. But i put this to you also, how can religion say the earth is only so many thousands of years old when there is proof it is billions of years old?

As for love and your tastes etc... YOU choose who you love, you fall in and out of love many times in your life that has nothing to do with what was placed inside of your meat and bones or anything to do with evolution
01/08/2008
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S0NY
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skua said: no, but is it seriously your religion ?



Yes, it is. I respect all the believers of GOD, Darwin, etc....but honestly...Everyday I thank SCE (My Religion) for what they've given me.
I would be willing to start up a...dare I say it, SONY Church.
01/08/2008
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SiR409
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topher said:ACCORDING to the bible. How is this the case when there is proof of dinosaurs and other creatures (the first 'human' etc) living millions of years ago?



Hey mate, where did fossils come from? The Bible has the answer - the flood! That's the only way to explain such sedimentary deposits.

If my cat died, and I left him on the yard, in 50 years, he would have decomposed and eroded. He wouldn't have turned into a fossil. Yet you take a flood, and mud and bury him 50 metres underground, then you'll dig it up 5000 years later, and you'll have yourself a fossil. Just a thought
01/08/2008
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hammy360
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I stopped Believing in god when i was 14 as nobody can show me that god is fact as science only shows me facts God was created to control prople
01/08/2008
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SiR409
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topher said: YOU choose who you love, you fall in and out of love many times in your life that has nothing to do with what was placed inside of your meat and bones or anything to do with evolution



Yeah mate, you choose. That's exactly it. But if you're not a spiritual creation, then how do you choose? What gave you the ability to choose?

And yeah, I've heard a few variations of the theory of the big bang. So, in your opinion, where did the world start? And how did it come about?
01/08/2008
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mickyt888 said:
scientists are liars. the people who created the evolution chart are rich and i don't believe in Science because they are crap and can't even cure something as simple as cancer with all the money in the world...



Okay...
In all probability science is the reason you are living and are still alive.
Science has doubles the life spans of humans over the last several hundred year.
Science is built on rigorous examination and peer review.
You may claim that a scientist is a liar, but any piece of genuine science is tested, retested and re-examined.



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topher
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SiR409 said:

topher said:ACCORDING to the bible. How is this the case when there is proof of dinosaurs and other creatures (the first 'human' etc) living millions of years ago?



Hey mate, where did fossils come from? The Bible has the answer - the flood! That's the only way to explain such sedimentary deposits.

If my cat died, and I left him on the yard, in 50 years, he would have decomposed and eroded. He wouldn't have turned into a fossil. Yet you take a flood, and mud and bury him 50 metres underground, then you'll dig it up 5000 years later, and you'll have yourself a fossil. Just a thought


how were these creatures roamign the earth when tehre was no earth?? thats what im trying to get at (sorry if i didnt udnerstand your post)
As for the car decomposing and eroding, that is not entirely true, humans who ahve been buried for thousands of years still have their teeth etc intact. Quick read on how fossils are formed and why dinosaur remains are still around english.fossiel.net/

as for my opinion on how the universe was created, i dont know so i wont say unlike other people. (no offence to christians and muslims and science people etc) All i am doing is picking holes in the things that i have been brought up with my whole life, not trying to actually figure out how it all came about
01/08/2008
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blu3man
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The big bang theory is fundamentally flawed stating time is not a constant and that time actually "began". Objectively speaking, relativity is has 1 fundamental flaw. While it may be true to some extent the faster you go towards light speed the slower time goes for you; If you went the speed of light around the earth for 100 years and then suddenly stopped. The fact would remain that both you and I would be 100 years old.
01/08/2008
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Unhostile
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Lol, Topher, you now how to set up a big conversation
01/08/2008
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goks
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everyone has got spiritual side
Regligion can't explain everything
Science also can't explain everything
01/08/2008
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Luke4123 said: Also, I don't know how you can believe in evolution, when the guy who created the theory admitted he was wrong just before he died?



Charles Darwin never ever suggested he was wrong. Darwinism, whilst just a theory is backed by masses of evidence and is considered to be incredibly strong by most scientists. And no one has ever offered any genuine alternative theory as to how we came into being.

Intelligent design is deeply flawed, simply because for someone or something to create something as incredibly complex as life, they would need to be even more complex, which begs the question how did they come about. The only ever logical answer that has been provided to explain how complex life came about is a process of evolution covering four BILLION years.
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blu3man
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Gendo Ikari is planning the demise of civilisation and allowing the angels to come and destroy humanity and take back what was rightfully theirs.....


(in the anime evangelion at least...)
01/08/2008
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SiR409
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Yeah man, thats what Im saying.. it/they need to have been buried.. People that dont get buried, dont leave bones on the ground after 5000 years. So you dont think they buried dinosaurs when they died, do you? They all got buried in the flood =)

And no, they weren't on the earth when there was no earth.. Not sure what ya mean bro. As the Bible says, earth has been around for about 8000 years.

I'd really encourage anyone genuinally interested in this subject, to check out this website: www.doesgodexist.tv/

There is some stuff in there that will blow your mind!

Scientific proof that God exists. =)
01/08/2008
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SpaceSteve
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SiR409 said: Yeah man, thats what Im saying.. it/they need to have been buried.. People that dont get buried, dont leave bones on the ground after 5000 years. So you dont think they buried dinosaurs when they died, do you? They all got buried in the flood =)
And no, they weren't on the earth when there was no earth.. Not sure what ya mean bro. As the Bible says, earth has been around for about 8000 years.
I'd really encourage anyone genuinally interested in this subject, to check out this website: www.doesgodexist.tv/
There is some stuff in there that will blow your mind!
Scientific proof that God exists. =)

Yeah but lots of things point to the earth being 100's of millions of years old, not 8000
01/08/2008
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